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Lovebug Club: A Rom-Com Rewatch Podcast
Lovebug Club: A Rom-Com Rewatch Podcast
“Imagine Me & You” Rewatch: The Bride Runs Away with the Florist
🏳️🌈 To celebrate Pride Month, we are watching the 2005 rom-com-dram: Imagine Me & You. Newlywed Rachel reconsiders her marriage (and sexual orientation) when she falls for her wedding florist. Will Rachel choose safe, comfortable love with her husband Heck or exciting, love at first sight with Luce? ❤️🧡💛💚💙💜
🎥 This movie stars Piper Perabo (Rachel), Lena Headey (Luce), Matthew Goode (Heck), Celia Imrie (Tessa), Anthony Head (Ned), Darren Boyd (Cooper), and Sue Johnston (Ella). Written and directed by Ol Parker.
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Hi love bugs. I'm Sarah And I'm Hadley. We're continuing Pride Month with the 2005 Rom-Com Dram Imagine Me and You. Newlywed Rachel reconsidered her day-old marriage and sexual orientation. When she falls for a woman, Will Rachel choose safe, comfortable love with her husband Heck, or exciting love at first sight with loose?
Speaker 2:I watched the trailer for the movie last night and I was like, oh, this feels like it's gonna be a bummer. So I was like, okay, I'll watch it tomorrow.
Speaker 1:I watched the first half last night and finished the second half today And it did have a happy ending, but there were so few happy moments in the movie that it was kind of a downer overall.
Speaker 2:I was like how is this classified as a rom-com?
Speaker 1:It's more like a drum-com, in my opinion.
Speaker 2:Also, i personally don't love this premise. You break someone else's heart to be with someone else and I know it's a very real concept. It happens all the time. But when I'm looking for a rom-com, like hard-end movie, it's just like oh. And I love Matthew Good too, so that might have influenced me. He played Heck. I know him from Downton Abbey, but I've seen him in other things too.
Speaker 1:My biggest criticism is that Piper Paribot is not British.
Speaker 2:She is born in Dallas, texas, and raised in New Jersey.
Speaker 1:I didn't like her fake accent.
Speaker 2:They so could have made her American.
Speaker 1:They could have. I wish they had.
Speaker 2:Even if they want to keep her British parents like, have some of her to boarding school or something.
Speaker 1:Piper Paribot. I had a huge crush on when she was in Cheaper by the Dozen.
Speaker 2:Oh, that might be where I know her from.
Speaker 1:But I was not into her in this movie.
Speaker 2:I wasn't either. It made me think of a conversation I had with someone recently about, like how the main character can kind of be a sucky person. I thought everyone around her was pretty great, but she herself was not my favorite person.
Speaker 1:I think I just didn't like the dishonesty and hiding everything.
Speaker 2:I felt like her partner wasn't a super immature person. Like you could handle this kind of conversation probably. It's really hard to have, but still.
Speaker 1:And even if he couldn't handle it, he deserved to know, so that he could make a choice for himself about what he wanted to do.
Speaker 2:I know I'm jumping ahead here. When you have big moments, big things, you need to talk out with someone. don't wait until they're drunk and then tell them that you can't say it again. Oh, my God.
Speaker 1:I had the same note. I was so annoyed I hated that Me too.
Speaker 2:That made me very upset. She's like hurting everybody and then not even actually talking to the people she needs to talk to when they're in the right frame of mind to hear these things. I didn't like her. I didn't either. I liked everyone else in the movie. I didn't really like Cooper, but you know.
Speaker 1:Cooper was awful. I hated him.
Speaker 2:I felt like they really leaned into that trope of. I'm sorry I hate the word trope, but I'm going to use it. They really leaned into that trope of the roguish friend, but then they made him also a complete asshole with not really any redeeming qualities, and I feel like you need a few redeeming qualities in those characters to make them tolerable.
Speaker 1:I loved Loose. I did too. I love Lena Heady. She's from Game of Thrones, she's such a good actress. I know that Cersei was like a bad character, but I definitely had a crush on her.
Speaker 2:I think if you could make a character as hateful as Cersei was, you're doing a great job with your acting.
Speaker 1:I don't think I've seen anything else that she's been in, but I'll definitely watch her be a lesbian any day. She plays Loose, who works at a flower shop and delivers flowers to Rachel's wedding.
Speaker 2:Through her we meet Hector Hecht, the groom played by Matthew Goode.
Speaker 1:That's a terrible nickname, I know I would not want people calling me Hecht. I wouldn't either. Like what the heck.
Speaker 2:Not a fan. Cooper's the best man and the little girl H asks a question what happens when an unstoppable force meets an unmovable object? Loose says those can never happen. One has to move. And this little girl loves the answer to that question. So she and Loose are now best friends.
Speaker 1:That was very cute. I love H's existential questions throughout the movie.
Speaker 2:She totally moves the plot a lot because she has Loose come sit with her at the wedding and I don't think Loose was going to sit in the wedding.
Speaker 1:Do the florists attend weddings usually?
Speaker 2:I kind of thought they'd just drop things off at the beginning and left, or make sure all the boutonnieres are fine and leave Same.
Speaker 1:Hecht's best man, cooper, thinks Loose is into him. Idiot, at this point I was like he clearly has no gaydar, but then later he doesn't even care that she's gay. He thinks he can change her, which was very annoying. I hate that.
Speaker 2:I hate that so much. It was so annoying Rachel's late and on the way her dad spills all the reasons not to get married.
Speaker 1:He is so negative about his marriage. Don't get married. That's an option. You can just not get married. Don't propose. Don't accept a proposal. Don't plan a wedding. Don't go through with the wedding. There were plenty of places there, Opportunities to call it off. He even said he wanted to call it off the day of. I was like, bro, just do it If you're going to be this miserable for the rest of your life. Jesus.
Speaker 2:He's played by Anthony Head, who is also in Ted Lasso and Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
Speaker 1:Oh, maybe I've seen him in Buffy. I've seen a couple episodes and I thought he looked a little familiar.
Speaker 2:but He was in 123 episodes.
Speaker 1:Oh, but he worked at a library. He had all the knowledge about vampires and taught Buffy everything she knew, or something.
Speaker 2:Let's see, he was the watcher and father figure of the Slayer Buffy Summers, former librarian Nice.
Speaker 1:Rachel spots loose as she walks down the aisle and she does a double take, and then they meet at the reception.
Speaker 2:If Rachel weren't married, this would be very cute. Meet cute.
Speaker 1:They have so much chemistry. I love it.
Speaker 2:Rachel lost her ring in the punch. Loose is like okay, use your dress, block me. Rachel reaches in with her hand to fish out the ring. At first you're like, ee. But then we meet the guy who's about to get the next cup of punch. We're like, yeah, sure, i hope she didn't wash her hands. I hope not too. I hope she stuck them in a bunch of soil and then put them in the punch, because Rob Hexboss is disgusting.
Speaker 1:Oh, i didn't realize that that was an actual character. I thought it was just someone random at the party. but that makes sense because he is terrible. throughout He makes some disgusting comment about virgins. The amount of times in this movie that men talked to Rachel about sex I thought was inappropriate. Yeah, friends of her husbands asking her about sex. I was like this is inappropriate.
Speaker 2:It really is, and it felt so like oh, we're going to put a guy in here and we're going to make them so contrasted to heck, so we're going to make them super, duper, gross and inappropriate. It's like you can do something else.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they kept crossing a line. It made me uncomfortable. I would have been very uncomfortable to have been asked those types of questions.
Speaker 2:I would too, and I wouldn't feel comfortable if I were heck in some of those situations, having someone ask my wife or anyone I know those questions in front of me And behind closed doors. I would be like not your business.
Speaker 1:This movie came out in 2005. I feel like women were a lot less vocal back then or didn't point out to men as often that they were making inappropriate comments, like I think it was less socially acceptable, because nowadays, if somebody said that to me, i would call them out on the spot.
Speaker 2:It's hard to watch nowadays because, like you said, I'd be like go away. I'm not answering these questions.
Speaker 1:Women just tolerate it, instead of pointing out how bad it is. Coop gives a speech the best man speech, and then heck gets up to give a speech but has stage fright. So Rachel steps in and saves him.
Speaker 2:I think this is supposed to make us be like oh, they're so cute together, But I didn't feel any chemistry between them for the whole movie, which might have been the point.
Speaker 1:I think that is the point She's settling for someone dependable who loves her instead of waiting it out to find someone that excites her. I also really hated her speech when she took over and actually did her own speech. She says she's been waiting for this day her whole life. Ew, i know it's a societal thing that girls are brought up to look forward to their wedding day and that's the only accomplishment that is worth anything in your life, and I hate that.
Speaker 2:I do too. It was when I got to college and people were like, oh, i've planned my wedding. I'm like what I'm supposed to know?
Speaker 1:that I know if heck was actually giving his speech, he would not have been saying that. He would not have said he's been waiting for this day his whole life.
Speaker 2:He'd be like you're my best friend And since I met you, i've been looking forward to this day.
Speaker 1:He's very accomplished outside of his marriage too. Like what else do we even know about Rachel? What is her job?
Speaker 2:I don't know. She works like in a nondescript office with two friends and they wear business attire.
Speaker 1:Oh right, Okay.
Speaker 2:That's all I know about her. Loose goes home alone and is all contemplative while the speech is playing And then the next day at the flower store a guy comes in and tells Loose he wants a last chance rose And Rachel comes by to say thanks for the flowers. Really awkwardly, loose suggests the bird of paradise flower for the last chance guy, and I just recently brought to light why it's called the bird of paradise flower. I always thought it was like one shape and it turns out it's a different shape that actually makes a bird.
Speaker 1:I saw a lot of those in Asia.
Speaker 2:They're so pretty, so it's just wonderful We almost got them for our prom flowers. My date and I went flower shopping together to figure out what we liked.
Speaker 1:Cute. I would hate to be a florist. The people who come into this flower shop throughout the movie are all pretty terrible.
Speaker 2:They really are. Except I did like the cute little old man who wanted to start an herb garden. Oh, i must have missed that part. Oh, it's right, before they go make out. Oh, and she's like here, take these, they're free Go.
Speaker 1:The guy who wanted a last chance flower ends up choosing a cactus, your relationship's going to end buddy It is, but hopefully it's a nice cactus so she can keep it.
Speaker 2:Rachel asks loose to dinner With her and Heck.
Speaker 1:Very weird. Then Rachel and Heck go to an auction and Rachel says she wants to set loose up with Coop. She like goes off on this little speech that Heck doesn't seem to be paying attention to at all, talking about how she feels like she and loose are going to be friends because they like met in another life or something Like she already feels this deep connection.
Speaker 2:I will say she has the worst timing because he's clearly very into this auction and this is like not the time to share your deep thoughts.
Speaker 1:I'm kind of getting avoidant attachment vibes from her.
Speaker 2:Wait till he's distracted. Wait till he's drunk.
Speaker 1:Heck seems very anxiously attached at the end because he says that he had a feeling she was always going to leave him. I was like, oh buddy, an anxious and avoidant usually attract each other, so that is even more evidence that she's probably avoidant.
Speaker 2:As someone in an anxious, avoidant relationship. yes, Hundred percent yes, we see that too. when he is scared to ask what's wrong, he does. let her go nicely.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, i'm proud of him for knowing that he deserves better, and he deserves someone who actually wants to be with him, rather than someone who's going to settle for him.
Speaker 2:He doesn't make her feel like you're hurting me and this is bad. He's like I just want you to be happy and I'll be okay. He's bummed that the couch goes for over his bidding limit and she jumps up and yells 400.
Speaker 1:That was so unnecessary of her, though, like the bidding was out 210.
Speaker 2:I felt like she was compensating. For sure, we get a cute little scene with Luce and her mom.
Speaker 1:I did not think this was cute at all, because her mom says she's depressed. Well, okay, sorry.
Speaker 2:Maybe I didn't pay attention to this scene.
Speaker 1:First Luce was like you're sad, and her mom was like I'm depressed. There's a difference. And then Luce said I wish you'd get a life.
Speaker 2:I totally wish that I was just like focusing on Luce being like hey, maybe you should go out, and then mom being like these are all old, foggy kind of things.
Speaker 1:I couldn't believe she said that. God, if I had been depressed. And someone said that, don't say that to depressed people, jesus. No, we see heck at work. Heck is sweet, but he is so dull, he's so boring. I'm so sorry to heck.
Speaker 2:Also Rachel's really boring, so maybe if they're both with more interesting people they'll be, interesting. True, they're getting ready for dinner. Something comes up about Luce, and Rachel's instant reaction is what I even thought about her.
Speaker 1:She's asking heck if he thinks Coop will be into her, which, like what a dumb question, because Coop is into anything that breathes. And then she asks heck if he's into her. He's like I haven't really thought about it, because why would I? As Cooper arrives for dinner, luce tells heck, she's gay.
Speaker 2:I got a kick out of his reaction. He like laughs and he's hmm, lovely, Well done. He felt like a very British response. Luce brought over flowers. Did she bring lilies? Yeah, there were lilies in there.
Speaker 1:During dinner, cooper asks if sex is better after marriage Another, in my opinion inappropriate comment about Rachel's sex life from someone she is not close with. Rachel goes off on a speech about how love grows and it's comfortable and dependable and all these other cozy nice things. But Luce disagrees and basically believes in love at first sight, which offends Rachel.
Speaker 2:She's taking everything a little too personally. I mean if the shoe fits, but I kind of get her panic about like oh shoot, this isn't good. Like I just made a commitment to this person and now I'm falling in love with other person across the table Whoops.
Speaker 1:I liked the roof scene, but it seemed very out of place.
Speaker 2:I was confused by it. I'm like, oh, it's just like a whole different scene to the dinner end. We don't did it because heck comes along and says Cooper wants to play strip poker or strip Cooper. So it's time to go.
Speaker 1:I liked that he was like. I want him to leave. Thank you.
Speaker 2:I wonder if Cooper has any other friends.
Speaker 1:I don't know how he would. I wouldn't be friends with him.
Speaker 2:I wonder what he'd be like in 2023. There are some of these movies that I love in modern remake, even though they were only like 20 years ago. Those are pretty dated.
Speaker 1:Coop gives Luce a ride home And for like one second he seems like a caring person and asks what's on her mind and tells her she should talk about it.
Speaker 2:Luce says if someone's in a relationship to her they're off limits, And I was like that seems like a good standard, but it does take two people to make things happen, So the other person also has to respect that boundary.
Speaker 1:I hate to say that I agree with Coop here, because he says the partner is their problem, not his, so he shags them anyway. I mean, they're the ones that made the commitment. Their commitment is not for me to uphold, that is for them to uphold.
Speaker 2:She's kind of becoming friends with Heck too, so I get the hesitancy In this case.
Speaker 1:I don't think Luce needs to bear any responsibility to keeping Rachel and Heck's relationship intact. That is entirely on Rachel, Yeah.
Speaker 2:I agree. Rachel and Heck go grocery shopping. Heck go grocery shopping And they run into Luce and Edie at the store. Edie works at the flower shop with Luce.
Speaker 1:Okay, thank you. I was going to ask who Edie was.
Speaker 2:Because they were getting ready at the beginning and she was there and I was like, okay, does she work there? Never saw her again at the flower shop. But Heck tells Rachel that.
Speaker 1:Luce is gay. He says gay as a tennis player. Is that like a gay stereotype that I don't know about? I love how they keep running into each other at the store.
Speaker 2:Me too, and I love how they're like we're just talking about you. Oh, now, we were just talking about you.
Speaker 1:I did like how honest that comment was. I feel like people don't always say that Least delivers flowers to a restaurant and apparently Coop ordered them because he's coming on to her again and she has to turn him down again and She says she'll be his friend. I would not be friends with a man who repeatedly ignored The fact that I'm gay. I don't think I would be either. He has some issues with respecting boundaries.
Speaker 2:He definitely does, but I did think it was kind of funny that he ordered flowers for himself. If it were someone else doing it, i would have gotten a kick out of it.
Speaker 1:If he wasn't so icky as a whole, i would have liked this as a concept.
Speaker 2:Later at school, h gives a presentation. Rachel has a little daydream about loose during H's presentation.
Speaker 1:They sit next to each other and Rachel's daydream is of them almost kissing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she like moves loose's hair back. It's a very startling Thing to be woken up from when the lights go on like pulled back into reality.
Speaker 1:I wouldn't have minded if it had gone on a little longer.
Speaker 2:Yeah, i would have been cute. They kiss a little, then the lights turn on. Rachel wants to talk to loose about something and loose kind of picks up on what's happening and runs away. She's like, oh, actually I do have to be somewhere, i'll talk to you later.
Speaker 2:Then Rachel goes to a video store and gets a porn It says it's for research Video store woman has to call the person who has it to bring it back and in that time Rachel's mom comes in. Her mom comments on the big cut out of Ewan McGregor and says, like that he's attractive and they were in Star Wars together. Oh, that's funny. There weren't a lot of fun facts about this movie, but that was one of them. Oh, and the other one was originally this was written as a heterosexual story.
Speaker 1:I would have liked it even less as a heterosexual story.
Speaker 2:Same. I think Lena Heddy saves this whole thing for me. Yes, she's great, and I like Matthew Good, even though his character is pretty Blank and age is good too, but apparently she never really acted again after this movie. Oh, heck comes home and Rachel's watching the porn and hides it, but then heck wants to watch it with her and Then she says it doesn't turn her on. He's like looking to spice up their sex life. Since I haven't really had any sex, it seems like her intimacy at all since they got married.
Speaker 1:They seem to be on very different pages, because here He's trying to spice up their sex life by watching porn and then later She tries to spice up their sex life by having sex in the woods, and he's not into that. So maybe they should talk about What things would excite them, you know.
Speaker 2:I think everyone in this movie could, every couple could use some like couples therapy. Oh Yes, especially Rachel's parents. But that's another movie.
Speaker 1:I think every couple should go to therapy, even if they don't have issues.
Speaker 2:I do too, because then, if something comes up, you have this established relationship too.
Speaker 1:But then you have the tools. Did you just say that too?
Speaker 2:Yeah, Go to therapy and get your communication tools.
Speaker 1:Learn how to deal with conflict in a healthy way. Exactly, heck talks to Rachel's dad about their sex life.
Speaker 2:Her dad tries to shut that down pretty quickly. He's like I don't want to talk about this.
Speaker 1:The people in this movie have no boundaries. I know, like I know, that in Europe sex is handled very differently than it is in the US, but still I don't think I would talk to my partner's parents about having sex with them. Nope, because what would they know about it exactly? I Just wouldn't even want that to ever cross their mind. In their mind. I am a virgin and celibate.
Speaker 2:Or as I put it for other people like I can doll them like to me.
Speaker 1:You're just like a candle.
Speaker 2:There's yeah there's nothing down there, you're not sexual in any way. Sorry, i told my friend that and I feel like he was kind of offended. But his wife's like, yeah, no, i get it to me. You've never had sex, you never can have sex, you never will have sex. Because then Rachel's mom's talking to her about her lack of sex life with her dad.
Speaker 1:Tell that to a therapist, not your daughter.
Speaker 2:Loose and H and the bridesmaid all run into each other and each has a little like it for sight moment.
Speaker 1:Interest at first sight. Loose explains to H that she's gay. I liked how this conversation went.
Speaker 2:I did too. That H tells her she'd rather be with her best friend, who's a girl, forever over a boy too, and then she tells loose, it doesn't mean she's a lesbian, it's like mmm. Well, a little different for you guys.
Speaker 1:Maybe investigate those feelings before you end up getting married to a man, though, like Rachel should have. Yes, heck asks Rachel if she's pregnant.
Speaker 2:Because he thinks maybe that's why she's not wanting to have sex. And then she's like, no, not. And he's like, oh, do you want to get pregnant? It's like oh yeah, that's a really great way to Propose sex to someone who just panicked about you asking if they were pregnant if y'all aren't having sex.
Speaker 1:I really don't think she wants to get pregnant.
Speaker 2:No, rachel calls loose but hangs up, so loose calls the number back and heck answers and asks Loose to take Rachel out because heck has to go to a work thing.
Speaker 1:I Love that heck. Set them up on a date.
Speaker 2:I do too. They go to a soccer game and loose's jeans are so low-rise. All her fashion made me think of the things that I don't miss about, like low-rise jeans and short jackets. When you squat down to get something, your whole back is exposed. In the winter, and it's very cold.
Speaker 1:Does she actually have that tramp stamp tattoo or was that a character thing, because they never talk about it? I didn't even notice that she's got a big tattoo on her lower back like a tribal tattoo.
Speaker 2:She has a lot of tattoos. It looks like 13 tattoos. You know how he does, but none of them say lower back. She's got forearm, elbow foot, forearm, forearm, wrist, upper arm, upper back, upper back, knuckle side, elbow, upper arm.
Speaker 1:Weird because they never bring it up and I feel like it. It was just so big That, if it's a character thing, it seems like something that would have been mentioned.
Speaker 2:I didn't even notice it.
Speaker 1:At the soccer game. Loose is teaching Rachel how to yell properly By holding her diaphragm and it turns into one of those romance moments. This would absolutely Make me pass out, Like the way she was holding her God very intimate. I don't have friends who hold me like that. No me neither. I don't know how Rachel is not melting While loose is holding her.
Speaker 2:This was a very wonderful, intimate moment to have.
Speaker 1:I would not be able to yell. No, in that position That would make my yell even weaker actually.
Speaker 2:They go to an arcade and do some dance, dance revolution, and then they're walking and Rachel is asking loose about flowers and Rachel wants to know all about what a lily means. And apparently a lily means I dare you to love me. Rachel tries to kiss loose but a car goes by so she pulls back and runs away.
Speaker 1:There's a lot of buildup in this movie.
Speaker 2:There is. Were you satisfied with what the buildup led to?
Speaker 1:There were only two kissing scenes in this movie, which I've heard that people are disappointed by self-included, And I liked the ending where they ran to each other and kissed but then everything after that was unnecessary. I didn't like all the bonus stuff at the end and how it ended with them sitting on a park bench just basically being comfortable and cozy and boring Sorry, Like Rachel was with heck, i didn't mind the heck flash forward.
Speaker 2:I'm happy to see he's doing well. Oh yeah, i liked that They could have left that in. But besides that, i was like why do I need to see this?
Speaker 1:Yeah, i was like I really don't give a shit that Coop has a baby. I hope for that baby's sake it's a boy, because he should not be around girls.
Speaker 2:I just thought it was probably the baby that the woman came in to buy flowers for her boyfriend, who's super cautious.
Speaker 1:Oh, I did not make that connection, but that makes sense.
Speaker 2:Let's see There's a scene with heck and Cooper at a bar and they're chatting Cooper's being really gross.
Speaker 1:He says that he sees the stability, trust and permanence of marriage and he doesn't want that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think he needs some therapy. I think there's something going on with him. Not that everyone wants marriage, but it seems like those are things you'd want from a good relationship with anybody.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, marriage is not necessary, but he sounds very avoidant.
Speaker 2:He does. Marriage is something like side characters in romance novels. I've read very much, but they have a little more depth to them, to the point you're like, oh, okay, i'm looking forward to, hopefully, a book about you later, because I think you'll grow and change, because you've shown growth in this book.
Speaker 1:I don't want to see any more of Coop.
Speaker 2:Oh, we get a little bathroom scene at work where Rachel asks her friends about being with another woman.
Speaker 1:The way she asks. This is so weird, though. She asks her coworker if she's ever across the street.
Speaker 2:Yeah, i'd be like what in the world are you talking about? I'd be like, yeah, every day. How do you get across the street? otherwise, it's like.
Speaker 1:I'd be so confused. I guess maybe that's like the British way of saying you switch teams or something.
Speaker 2:Maybe, but they do use the switch teams phrasing earlier too.
Speaker 1:So all of these women talking about their relationships and romantic lives, i wish I could tell them to read up on compulsive heterosexuality, because the one girl is like I like men but I don't like men. And the other one is like I always thought I would hook up with a girl in the way that I want to go to Iceland, but that's probably never going to happen or something like that. I was like y'all are gay.
Speaker 2:You can go to Iceland. You don't have to be with men. We get the car ride back from the dinner that Rachel took heck out to. Rachel wants to have sex against a tree, and so they go to the woods, and heck wants to be in their warm house in their bed.
Speaker 1:I get that, But also he was just trying to liven up their sex life too. So have sex in bed another time, God. Also, if your body is pressed up against another person's body, it's going to keep you warm.
Speaker 2:True, like those two men that hop out from behind the tree, they were clearly doing great with what they were doing.
Speaker 1:I thought it was funny that they introduced themselves.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and they shake hands and Rachel's like, oh, we're married and we have a bed. And they're like, oh yeah, we just met tonight And they're both named Michael.
Speaker 1:Jack makes kind of a passive aggressive comment about not knowing his wife.
Speaker 2:Oh okay, i didn't know if that was not knowing or like. oh yeah, it always feels like we're just meeting for the first time like sparks kind of thing.
Speaker 1:No, i think it was passive, aggressive, because he was like where's this coming from? I don't know you. Why do you want to have sex in the woods? I could see that.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Because he also makes another passive, aggressive comment later to loose when he goes to buy the flowers. Yes, and she asks what Rachel likes and he was like you know what my wife likes.
Speaker 2:Okay, At the flower shop, rachel comes over to end things with loose, but they end up making out, and all of this just made me sad for heck.
Speaker 1:I am sad for heck because relationships ending are sad, and also I'm more just annoyed with Rachel because she should cut heck loose.
Speaker 2:She really should. He's clearly hurting already. Just let him go, he'll be okay.
Speaker 1:Or at least talk to him about what's going on. Be like I've never been into girls before, but some feelings are coming up for me about loose and I don't know how to handle that or something. It's not like just because you're married, you're never going to be attracted to a person outside your marriage ever again.
Speaker 2:But you should be able to talk to your person about that if they're open to it Or if it becomes something that's like what Rachel's got going on, where she's super attracted to loose, i feel like just minor crushes happen and it's like, oh okay, i've got a little crush on this person, but my feelings for my partner at way all that and I'm not actually interested in pursuing this little crush. That's not what she has going on right now. Clearly, since she's making out with loose on Thornie Roses, heck comes into buy flowers for Rachel and he's so confused about what's happening with him and Rachel and he admits that he's scared to ask her what's wrong because he's scared that something is wrong.
Speaker 1:That does make me sad for heck.
Speaker 2:I just wish she would treat everyone better. Heck doesn't deserve this. Loose doesn't deserve this. Rachel climbs out the window and runs away after she hears what heck says, and loose chases after her and says that if Rachel tells her to go, she'll never see loose again. This is when I'm like this isn't a comedy, this is a drama.
Speaker 1:Luce is saying she'll walk away if that's what Rachel wants. And Rachel asks is that what you want? Loose says I want you. I felt that, Oh, and when they, like ultimately in this conversation, decide to just be friends, I guess Loose says don't forget me And Rachel says I won't remember anything else, Just be together.
Speaker 2:God I know. Imagine how cute the story would be if Rachel weren't married.
Speaker 1:I mean, divorce is a thing. Just break up. You don't have to be hurting your partner. Let him loose so that he can find someone who actually wants to be with him.
Speaker 2:Or okay, new story, same characters. Heck is getting married to someone else and Rachel's friends with him and sees loose at the wedding. They make eyes and they fall in love.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Oh, i know this is a real thing, that happens. but you can get divorced. I know it's scary to end relationships, but it's not worth hurting everyone, including yourself, like clearly you'd be miserable.
Speaker 1:Heck, doesn't deserve to be with someone who is with him out of obligation or guilt. Yes, it hurts. It'll hurt him to break up with him in the short term But, like in the long run, it's a gift because you are letting him go so that he can find someone who actually likes him.
Speaker 2:It's like Lucy's mom says later heart's mend. Heck is at work trying to get someone to make a deal and he makes the deal but gets off the phone and does not like how the call went because all they do is lie. And he tells his boss. His boss always lies too and gets upset and leaps. He says he's done lying And loose at her store, has this trash bag of a man asking to get flowers for A breakup plant.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because he doesn't like his girlfriend.
Speaker 2:And she's like, well, maybe, okay. And she says, well, what about hydrangeas? Because they mean it's over, but think well of me. And he's like, okay, i'll take one. And she's like, how many in the bouquet? And he's like, no, i'll take one flower. He's like, come on, just break up with this woman.
Speaker 1:At that point, just break up. Why give her a single flower at all? Right Loose cries to her mom about Rachel. Loose says that she's in love with someone who's already in a relationship And she says that it doesn't matter that she loves her, and her mom says that's all that matters, which I don't know about, that Love isn't always enough.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:But in a rom-com, that is. But in this case. In this case I do agree with her mom. Yes, But not always. Her mom is going on a date. Good for her. I wish we had seen the date In terms of side characters in this movie. I would have enjoyed more of her mom and less of Coop, because Coop sucked, And less of Hex's job with his terrible boss, because what did that have to do with the story at all?
Speaker 2:His job felt very unnecessary, like yeah, it leads to him getting drunk, but he could have gotten drunk with Coop.
Speaker 1:Hex comes home drunk And this is when Rachel chooses to talk to him about a very serious conversation. Wait until morning. Do not involve alcohol when you wanna have a serious conversation Or like a conversation about a heavy topic.
Speaker 2:She's like don't fall asleep. I don't wanna have to say this more than once She says she can't say it again.
Speaker 1:I was like you, better fucking try.
Speaker 2:And he pretends to be asleep, but he's not This was so dramatic.
Speaker 1:I hated how like it was, almost like gratuitous, the way she was handling it. Like whoa is me. Just spit it out because you're gonna hurt his feelings. Like it's not about you at this point. You've made your choices, You've done what you've done. Now give him the information so that he can process it. You don't need to make it about you, as you're like admitting your affair, Exactly.
Speaker 2:I do like the couch they ended up getting, though I don't know if I'd like it in my house, but I really like it in their place.
Speaker 1:Also, while heck is asleep, Rachel says she's choosing to stay with him because he's her best friend. You can still be best friends Platonically. you don't have to be married for that to be a thing. And also, if you respect him enough to tell him the truth, you probably have a better chance of staying best friends through your divorce.
Speaker 2:This felt very like a I liked someone else, but I'm gonna give that up and stay with you. Just sorry about your life, but I'm here. It's like this isn't a good thing at all. You're not being a good person.
Speaker 1:She's like I'll make this sacrifice for you, but don't, i'd rather you not. Coop shows up and asks Loose if she was the woman, because Rachel never told heck who it was.
Speaker 2:And he gets. I understand him being upset, but he calls her a slut and takes everything out on her. And this is not Loose's fault.
Speaker 1:He calls her a dumb slut. I don't even understand him being upset, though, like this has literally nothing to do with his life. This has very misplaced anger. Be mad at Rachel for breaking his heart.
Speaker 2:Be so mad at Rachel. She's the one that did it. It's even worse having the friend be the person who's upset. The spouse should be the person upset, not at Loose at Rachel. Rachel's whole family is together because it's Rachel's birthday And they bring out the cake with all the candles on it and heck chooses this time to get up and leave. These people have such weird timing.
Speaker 1:Well, I think this was when he realized it was Loose.
Speaker 2:Oh true.
Speaker 1:But also one of the gifts that Rachel's parents got for her was a cookbook called How to be a Domestic Goddess. Ha ha, ha, ha ha.
Speaker 2:I wonder if that's a real cookbook.
Speaker 1:I kinda wanna read it. It's probably just like have dinner on the table ready for your husband at 5 pm When he comes home from work.
Speaker 2:let's see, it looked a little more modern than that, but it's about the entryment of being in the kitchen, taking sensuous pleasure in the entire process and relishing the outcome. Interesting, oh, there are nine ways to be a domestic goddess. What are they? a good planner, bake from scratch, multitasking, cleaning schedule. Only use the best. It's not what you think. Efficient errands, meal prep. Learn about interior design. Learn to sew extra. Take a dessert decorating class. This feels a little more modern than maybe if it fell out of the 50s, but just slightly different. Only slightly. Yeah, it like. Number one isn't worship your husband.
Speaker 1:Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:Oh, there are duties of a domestic goddess. Oh God, the domestic goddess excels at baking, cooking, cleaning, housework of all sorts. She may so knit and have domestic copies that come out as well. She doesn't have to have children to be considered a domestic goddess. Oh, so modern Wow. Oh man, Heck is leaving Rachel and it's not her leaving that will kill him, it's her loving someone more.
Speaker 1:Outside. He says that he wants her to be happy, but he wanted to be the cause of her happiness, and if he's not, he doesn't want to stand in the way. That's so cute.
Speaker 2:It's sad but very sweet. I Would love a spin-off of hex rom-com, not a rom-rom. I don't want a rom-rom from him, i want a true rom-com with his fun little flight lady.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know She was coming on kind of strong.
Speaker 2:She was. Maybe once he lands He'll meet someone. That can be it. He meets someone that also wants to travel to write a book and they do it together.
Speaker 1:But they write different types of books and they fall in love when he said he was writing a book and she was like I can read.
Speaker 2:Her face. After, though I was like yep, I would also make that face after I had said something. Just that level, That is embarrassing.
Speaker 1:Not very smooth, nope, but honestly that probably makes her a good fit for him, because he's really not that smooth either.
Speaker 2:Also when he does go on the trip. He had said that he wanted to do all that, but then Rachel came along, so now he's getting to do all that.
Speaker 1:I love that for him.
Speaker 2:Me too. Rachel tells her family about loose and her parents could definitely some marriage counseling because her dad says he was never up to Stuff for her mom and that if she fell in love with someone else she would leave.
Speaker 1:Her dad gives a lot of problematic speeches, but I do like that this one ends with him telling her to follow her heart.
Speaker 2:I do too, and I love that. They all go to get in the car, but H doesn't. And when the mom comes back in She says are you coming? and H is sad. And then the mom says when we get back, we can talk about this if you want to. And H is like yeah.
Speaker 1:How old is H? Is she even old enough to stay home alone? because I was surprised they just left her there.
Speaker 2:I thought maybe like 12. Maybe they dropped her off along the way, though, because H goes to talk to heck and got sweets for him.
Speaker 1:That was very cute. While heck and H are talking, he like full-on sobs, which made me sad for him. But also, this is a child.
Speaker 2:It is. She's a very mature child, though, so I feel like you might accidentally feel comfortable and unburden himself onto this child. I think it's good to know that people can show emotion and especially men.
Speaker 1:That's absolutely good for a kid to see that emotions are fine.
Speaker 2:They're so cute together. She brought him sweets, but didn't know what kind he liked, so she got a mixed pack and I. I'm known for their friendship movie.
Speaker 1:Yes, it was very sweet, until he said that he should have married her, because that made me uncomfortable.
Speaker 2:Yeah, i felt like that's something that for some people is so joking, like, oh okay, but Probably don't say that to a child.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Little creepy weird.
Speaker 1:Then H was like maybe in ten years. I was like that's grooming. No, you two should never date because he met you as a child.
Speaker 2:Luckily, you know, she's already got a boyfriend. So yeah, she's taken and she's probably like gross old man, lucy's going on her trip, her mom's gonna look after the shop and Rachel Busts into the flower shop looking for loose and the mom's like she'd like to try that again. It's like, oh okay, they decided to go after loose and the mom puts the customer in charge and leaves in the car.
Speaker 1:Rachel loses mom and Rachel's parents are all in the car trying to catch loose and Rachel says she knew within three seconds of meeting loose that she loved her.
Speaker 2:Probably could have turned around and told your husband before they got married, but anyway, that is lust, not love.
Speaker 1:Rachel's dad says that he could buy some pills to help him be enough for his wife and in exchange She wants her to be a little kinder. That was fucking sad. It really was and then she was immediately mean, i know Honestly, they should just break up those two to shed for sure.
Speaker 1:Rachel calls loose and It's a very brief call. But she overhears in the background some Delivery guys singing and then he rides on his bike past her car. So she knows that loose is stuck in the same traffic that they are. So she climbs on top of the car and Starts yelling for loose. I would have been, like her parents, very concerned about the car.
Speaker 2:Yep, me too. I know she's a tiny individual, but cars aren't meant to be stood on. Also, the song the biker Sings as he goes by is the song that the titles from happy together by the turtles. Oh, rachel yells the way loose taught her. But doesn't yell loose. She yells number nine, you're a wanker. Then they find each other in the traffic and kiss Okay, this is very cute though It is, i'm very happy that they found each other And I don't like all the road they took to get to each other just because of like the pain along the way. But I'm really happy that they get together me too.
Speaker 2:I'm honestly more happy for loose That they get together than anyone. I think I liked her more than Rachel.
Speaker 1:So I'm rooting for her more than.
Speaker 2:Rachel, i'm like yay loose, you got what you wanted.
Speaker 1:I'm happy that loose got what she wanted and that loose found the love that she wanted, but I wish it wasn't Rachel, because Loose could do better.
Speaker 2:Loose deserves better. Loose could do so much better. What's gonna happen when Rachel gets wishy-washy on Loose, not saying she's gonna like fall in love with someone else, but she doesn't seem to handle things very well.
Speaker 1:I'm not at all concerned that she would fall for someone else because of This seems like a very unique situation for her that she'd fall for someone else a woman in her marriage to a man But just the way that she handled it all would make me question whether or not I could trust her.
Speaker 2:Same. And then if she started acting weird, i would immediately be like, okay, what in the world is happening? Because I know how you acted last time. Something big happened and it was just like this. So like, maybe you're not leaving me for a man or something, but why are you acting weird?
Speaker 1:I would always be worried that she was hiding something. Rachel would definitely bring out my anxious attachment style.
Speaker 2:We get our little credit scenes where we've talked about. heck goes to travel and has a cute little hello on the plane with someone who's a little awkward. They have 24 hours together, so that's enough time, apparently. Enough time to get our number. Yeah, really, cooper has a baby with what I'm thinking is the woman shopping at the flower shop. That makes sense. And then we see Rachel and Luce on a park bench, which I didn't feel was necessary, but we saw it.
Speaker 1:I didn't think that was necessary either. I was like this is a weird ending. Weird calm ending after the climax of them getting together and kissing in traffic. They could have just ended it there and then had one bonus scene of heck meeting that girl on the plane.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think all we needed was heck, and that was it.
Speaker 1:Because I don't give a shit about coot.
Speaker 2:I don't either, and I really don't care what happens to Luce and Rachel after the end, because I thought it was such a good ending for them. I was like this is perfect.
Speaker 1:Don't show me more. I don't need to see their future. I don't need to see if they even work out.
Speaker 2:Right, like 51st-AIDS, we needed to see what happened. This we don't need to see. Definitely wasn't my favorite one, though Not high up there on my list.
Speaker 1:It was fine compared to the few queer rom-coms that there are. It's probably like in the top half, just because there's not a lot of options, but I would not say it was one of my favorite.
Speaker 2:Me neither.
Speaker 1:I'd rather rewatch but I'm a cheerleader again than watch this. That was such a good movie It was, it was great.
Speaker 2:Maybe I would go watch that later To cheer you up. I need a love story where I like the people more. Do you want to do what we're?
Speaker 1:watching. I am watching the ultimatum queer love on Netflix. Have you heard about this show? Because it is literally all the queer community is talking about right now. All my gay friends are talking about this show.
Speaker 2:I've not heard anything about it, but tell me The concept of the show is super fucked up.
Speaker 1:To start off, All these couples should have broken up, So one person in their relationship wants to get married and the other person doesn't. They're just not ready for that yet There's four or five couples that came on this show and they do a trial marriage with one of the other people there not the person they came with to see if they'd be a better partner, to see if this trial marriage helps them decide whether or not they're with the right person that they came with. You know. Oh my gosh, So already just bad. Yeah, So unhealthy, And some of the people on this show are just awful.
Speaker 2:How many episodes are there? Have you finished it?
Speaker 1:I'm only like six or seven episodes in. You shouldn't have to pressure your partner to get married to you If they're not wanting to get married to you and you are wanting to get married. that's different priorities and different values and they're probably not your person.
Speaker 2:Figure out what marriage means to each of you and see if you're okay being in a long-term relationship with someone as opposed to being married, and if not, have some conversations. Yeah, because, like you said, they might not be your person.
Speaker 1:And maybe just as a rule of thumb, you might not be able to get married to any ultimatums.
Speaker 2:Yeah, That never ends. Well, What are you watching? I have been watching a show Crime Scene Kitchen. It's a cooking show where they have two minutes to investigate the kitchen and figure out what was made and then they have to make it and whoever gets the closest wins. Ooh, It's hosted by Joel McHale. He's actually pretty funny in this, I think. Sometimes I think he's obnoxious. Why do I know that name? He's in the community This year. They have one group of amateur bakers and one group of professional bakers and once each group gets down to three, they combine. Ooh, It's a very fun show If you like cooking shows, you like trying to solve puzzles Very cool. Our song pairing for this episode is I Want to Be Your Girlfriend by Girl in Red.
Speaker 1:I love that you chose this song because the youths are Like the way to ask someone if they're gay is you say do you listen to Girl in Red? It's like inside code. That's funny.
Speaker 2:It's a great song. Ever since you told me one of the codes that some people have are like oh, i really like your jacket. I realize I compliment other women on things I like about them all the time. I'm like oh, i really hope they don't think I'm hitting on them, just because I'm not trying to make them feel uncomfortable. I'm just trying to compliment them in a friendly way, not a I'm hitting on you kind of way.
Speaker 1:I think there's a certain vibe, Like it's not just the words, There's also a vibe and you're probably not giving it off. So I think you're fine, Because I compliment a lot of people too, Like I just give compliments all the time because I want people to feel good Same.
Speaker 2:I don't want to make anyone feel uncomfortable or like ugh. I go everywhere and people are hitting on me. It's like I'm not. I just like your look Yeah.
Speaker 1:I just like letting people know when they look good, because I like being told that I look good when I put in effort. So I want to make other people feel good. No romantic connotation necessary.
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